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Richard ROSE

Richard ROSE

Male Abt 1600 - Abt 1658  (~ 58 years)    Has 10 ancestors and 320 descendants in this family tree.


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  • Name Richard ROSE 
    Relationshipwith Teresa Ann GOATHAM
    Born Abt 1600 
    • from date when graduated from Exeter College (if it was this Richard)
    Gender Male 
    Education 14 Jun 1621  Exeter College, Oxford University, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    Graduated 
    • (probably this Richard)
      "Rose, Richard; B.A. from Exeter Coll., 14 June, 1621; perhaps student of Middle Temple 1622 (as son and heir of John, of Lyme, Dorset, gent.), and M.P. Lyme Regis April-May, 1640, 1640 (L.P.), till his death after 1648. See Foster's Inns of Court Reg. & Foster's Parliamentary Dictionary."
      (from Alumni Oxonienses, p.1280)
    Education 1622  Middle Temple, London, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • Mentioned in Alumni Oxonienses
    Occupation 1640 
    Member of Parliament for Lyme Regis 
    • There is a brief entry for Richard on Wikipedia
      (this period not yet available on the History of Parliament website, 26 July 2017)
    Residence 1655  Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • When he wrote his will
    Will 31 Oct 1655 
    Written 
    The will of Richard Rose (d. c. 1657)
    The will of Richard Rose (d. c. 1657)
    A 10 x great grandfather of mine.
    Died Abt 1658  Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • Date from date will was proved, place assumed.
    Probate 19 Feb 1657/58  London, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    Buried The Parish Church, Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • Assuming the wish expressed in his will was carried out, Richard was buried in Wootton Fitzpaine Church.
    Siblings 3 sisters 
    Patriarch & Matriarch
    ROZE,   d. Yes, date unknown  (Great Grandfather) 
    Joane BAILIE,   d. Aft 1627  (Grandmother) 
    Person ID I21204  All | Teresa's direct ancestors
    Last Modified 24 Jan 2022 

    Father John ROZE, Gent.,   b. St. Brélade, Jersey, Channel Islands See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1627 
    Mother Faith ELLESDON,   b. Est 1575,   d. Between 1638 and 1655  (Age ~ 63 years) 
    Family ID F8377  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Elizabeth HENLEY,   b. Abt 1601,   d. 19 Aug 1636  (Age ~ 35 years) 
    Married Between 1614 and 1625 
    • Date: estimated from (earlieset date) Richard's mother Faith Ellesdon was not married when her father wrote his will in 1599 and (latest date) Elizabeth had had 10 children by the time she died in 1636.

      It seems likely 7 of the children, 3 sons and 4 daughters, died young. I wonder if 2 Roses buried in Winsham were two of these - Hanna, buried 3 July 1636 and Richard, buried 'October 22th' 1638.
      Which children were of Richard with Elizabeth née Henley?
      Elizabeth's father mentions John and 2 other sons (unnamed) - under 21 when he wrote his will on 13 March 1638/9. Her mother also mentioned 3 sons but names them all - John, William and Henry.
      No Rose granddaughters mentioned, and Richard's will suggests all his daughters were under 18 when he wrote it, and so born no earlier than 1637. Both Richard's will and his mother'ss, therefore, suggest all the daughters of Richard were by a subsequent wife.
    Children 3 children 
    Last Modified 14 Nov 2021 
    Family ID F8378  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Mary BRODREPP,   b. Est 1611,   d. Bef 1655, Wootton Fitzpaine, Dorset, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 43 years) 
    Married Aft 1636 
    • I am confident that Richard reamarried after his first wife had died, and that he married a Brodrepp, the sister of Christopher and John. Hutchins shows the marriage and names Richard's wife as Mary (though see below).

      It is interesting to note from Richard Rose's will that when he died Morganhayes was his; I suspect that this may have passed to the Rose family as part of the marriage settlement when Richard Rose and Mary Brodrepp married.

      I am confident that my direct ancestor,Richard's daughter Elizabeth, was not the daughter of his first wife, Elizabeth Henley.
      However, it is possible he remarried more than once after the death of his first wife, in which case I could have fused more than one person into this 'second' wife of Richard Rose.

      There is evidence that some at least of the offspring of Richard were with his Brodrepp wife: Anne expressed a wish in her will to be buried in Mapperton Church in 'my cozen Brodrips Isle' while Thomas' son Churchill is described as a kinsman in a Brodrepp will. That Richard's son Richard was probably a child of his Brodrepp wife is suggested by Richard junior's son Thomas in his will appointing Richard Brodrepp as a trustee for his grandchildren during their minority. Mary Rose is described as a cousin in the will of Christopher Brodrepp's daughter Mary.

      That just leaves Dorothy and, unfortunately, my ancestor Elizabeth, the latter being, of course, the one whose mother I am keenest to be reasonably certain about.

      The name of the Brodrepp that Richard Rose married is shown in Hutchins as Mary, although it seems clear that he has attached her in the wrong place, showing her as daughter rather than sister of Christopher Brodrepp. Although Christopher did have sons Christopher and John (as named as brothers in Richard Rose's will), if Richard Rose had married Christopher senior's daughter Mary the marriage would have been too late for them to have the children as on the tree here. In addition, Christopher senior's daughter Mary died single, leaving a will with various relations named and relationships described from which it seems clear she was that Christopher's daughter.

      Hutchins also appears to have attached John married to Elizabeth Freke as a son of Christopher senior instead of a brother. Again, the dates don't work if it was John the son of Christopher senior who married Elizabeth.

      These common small errors in Hutchins makes it clear he cannot be relied on for details, and hence with Richard's Brodrepp's wife's Christian name only known from Hutchings it must be regarded with caution - but I will use it unless or until I learn otherwise. 

      (Mary Brodrepp's grandmother was Anne Bampfield; Richard's first wife's mother names two Bampfields as friends and makes them executors of her will. These were Francis and Thomas, I think they must have been grandsons of Amias, brother of Anne and so second cousins of Mary. Amias was mentioned in more than one Morgan family document, suggesting that Anne, who was from a large family and probably not in close contact with all of her siblings, was close to Amias. Did this contact between the two families continue - was it through the Henley family's contact with the Bampfields that Richard came to know their cousin, Mary Brodrepp?)
    Children 6 children 
    Last Modified 24 Jan 2022 
    Family ID F8397  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart

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