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Lilian BATES
1914 - Yes, date unknown
Has 2 ancestors but no descendants in this family tree.
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Name Lilian BATES Relationship 
with Teresa Ann GOATHAM Born Dec Q 1914 West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England 
- GRO ref: BATES, Lilian q4 1914 mother's maiden name: McCormick, W. Derby RD 8b 889
Gender Female Died Yes, date unknown Siblings6 brothers and 6 sisters Patriarch & Matriarch 
Francis BATES, b. Jun Q 1865, Liverpool, Lancashire, England, d. Dec Q 1920, West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England (Age ~ 55 years) (Father) 
Esther MCCORMICK, b. 28 Oct 1868, Liverpool, Lancashire, England, d. Jun Q 1939, Liverpool North Reg Dist, Lancashire, England (Age 70 years) (Mother) Person ID I306019 All | All in the Goatham / Gotham One-Name Study Last Modified 24 Nov 2023
Father Francis BATES, b. Jun Q 1865, Liverpool, Lancashire, England , d. Dec Q 1920, West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England (Age ~ 55 years) Mother Esther MCCORMICK, b. 28 Oct 1868, Liverpool, Lancashire, England , d. Jun Q 1939, Liverpool North Reg Dist, Lancashire, England (Age 70 years) Married 17 Mar 1885 St. Peter’s Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England - GRO ref: Bates, Francis to McCormick, Esther q1 1885 Liverpool RD 8b 187
Details from PR entry (image on FMP, viewed 21 May 2019)
Shows Francis Bates, Bachelor, Labourer, abode Vauxhall Rd., aged 21, father Paul Bates, Porter and Esther McCormick, aged 19, Spinster, no occupation given, abode Vauxhall Rd., father John McCormick, Boiler maker
Confusingly the 1911 census shows that Francis and Esther had had 10 children two of whom had died. Since there are 8 of their children with them at the time of that census it seemed it must be the other two, with them in earlier censuses, who had died, i.e. Joseph and Francis. However, there is a James who was born in a gap between the children shown in the censuses, for whom a death can be found; the mother's maiden name in his birth registration suggests he was a son of Francis and Esther (there is no evidence of other Bates - McCormick (or similar sounding) couples having children at this time).
There is also no death registration of a Joseph of the right age in Lancashire between 1901 and 1911, nor any sign of another Joseph son of Francis of the right age born or baptised in Liverpool, or in the censuses.
It seems clear, therefore, that Francis and Esther had had 11 children, of whom 2 had died, or that they were passing off one child as theirs - but at registration not just in the census; describing illegitimate grandchildren as children in the census is not uncommon, but registering them as such would be.
Family ID F300359 Family Group Page | Family Chart
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Born - Dec Q 1914 - West Derby Reg Dist, Liverpool, Lancashire, England 
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