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Sir John DAVIE, 2nd Baronet

Sir John DAVIE, 2nd Baronet

Male - Yes, date unknown    Has 193 ancestors but no descendants in this family tree.


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  • Name John DAVIE 
    Prefix Sir 
    Suffix [ONS gp] 2nd Baronet 
    Relationshipwith Teresa Ann GOATHAM
    Gender Male 
    Biography
    Died Yes, date unknown 
    Half-siblings 1 half sister (family of John DAVEY and Isabell HELE
    Patriarch & Matriarch
    Sir John DAVEY, 1st Baronet,   bur. 13 Oct 1654, St. Swithun’s Church, Sandford, Devon, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location  (Father) 
    Susan KIRKHAM,   d. Yes, date unknown  (Great Grandmother) 
    Person ID I27555  All
    Last Modified 9 Mar 2022 

    Father Sir John DAVEY, 1st Baronet,   bur. 13 Oct 1654, St. Swithun’s Church, Sandford, Devon, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location
    Other Partners: Isabell HELE  m. 10 Jun 1630  
    Mother Julian STRODE,   bur. 25 May 1627, St. Swithun’s Church, Sandford, Devon, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F8077  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart

    Family Mrs. Mary ROLLE,   b. Est 1628,   bur. 25 Apr 1670, St. Swithun’s Church, Sandford, Devon, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 42 years) 
    Other Partners: Francis GLANVILLE, Esq.  m. 11 Mar 1646/47 
    Married 17 Apr 1661  St. Mary’s Church, Lifton, Devon, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • From PR entry (image on FMP, viewed 9 Jun 2021)
      "Sr John Davy Baronat ^ of Creedy in Devon in the Parish of Sandleford maryed Margaret Gla[n]vile Widdow of Kilworthy in the Parish of Tavistoke. Ap. 17."
      There is clearly a discrepancy here, in that the bride's name is recorded as Margaret and I am showing this marriage as that of a Mary.
      It is it being recorded as Margaret that presumably has led Vivian to record it as the second marriage of the sister Margaret of Mary's late husband, Francis.

      However, there are problems with that attribution too: Margaret would have been a Kelly when (if) she remarried, not a Glanville. If she had been widowed (and at present I have no evidence she had been) she is unlikely to have been 'of Killworthy', and she may not have been if she been widowed. It is possible she would have been, though, as Killworthy was left by her brother Francis Glanville to her son Francis Kelly.
      On the subject of who would have been 'of Killworthy' it is not clear that Mary would been living there either. Where would she have gone after her marriage?

      So, two possible remarriages, and problems with both. There are two reasons for believing it was Mary Glanville née Rolle, not Margaret Kelly née Glanville.
      Firstly, checking the registers for Sandford shows that Sir John Davie's wife was recorded as Mary when buried. In addition, Exchequer depositions (E134/10Wm3/Mich7; transcription of the relevant part here) concerning Kilworthy and other property held by Mary's first husband Francis Glanville Esqr refer to his widow marrying Sir John Davie. These weren't taken until about 1699, so memories could be a little faulty, but this was referred to by two deponents. I don't know if they might have discussed it before, or one heard the other's depositions and his memory been swayed. Even so, it seems to me that 2 depositions plus a burial record, together with it being very unlikely a widow bride would be recorded with her maiden name, point very strongly to it being Mary, widow of Francis Glanville, who married John Davie.

      (Vivian attributes much of the Glanville pedigree to 'Glanville-Richards', Records of the Anglo-Norman House of Glanville; checking this volume it is clear it was Richards who decided Mary was Henry's daughter. Given he is known to have made up facts there is no need to think that there must be some undiscovered source suggesting Henry was Mary's father).

      Further evidence for the marriage not being that of Margaret, sister of Francis Glanville, is that no burials can be found for her or her husband in Kelly where they were first living, but there are burials that are probably theirs in Tavistock. This would make sense as with their son Francis dying young his father, William Kelly, would have inherited Kilworthy if still living. (see their entries for details).
    Last Modified 30 Jul 2021 
    Family ID F2152  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart

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