Joan ECHYNGHAM

Est 1360 - 1413  (~ 53 years)

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• Name	Joan ECHYNGHAM
  Relationship	with Teresa Ann GOATHAM
  Born	Est 1360
  Gender	Female
  Will	15 Apr 1413	Southwark, London, England
  	Written
  	TNA ref: PROB 11/2A/428 Abstract / translation from Bellewes Last Savages of Bobbing Arch Cant article (I have copy of register copy; it is in Latin) "Will of Joan, formerly wife of Sir Arnold Savage, knight, dated 15 April 1413. I bequeath my body to be buried in the church of St. Bartholomew of Bobbyng next the aforesaid Arnold, my husband. I bequeath to the high altar of that church 6s. 8d., and to the high altar of St. Olave's, Southwark, 40s. for tithes forgotten. To Eleanor Cobham a set of grey furs and a new white gown. To Eleanor Horne a set of furs called "Throtes," etc. To John Burghstok a white horse and 40s. A chaplain shall celebrate for me in the church of Bobbyng for one whole year. To Thomas Freston and Agnes, my servants, 13s. 4d. and 6s. 8d. respectively. All the residue of my goods I give to my executors, viz., William Cottenhale, William Courte, and John Burghstok, and I make my son Arnold Savage their overseer. Given at Southwark on the day above written. Witnesses: Master Thomas Burgh, rector of St. Olave's, Thomas Forneset, chaplain, Robert Blok, clerk, aud others."
  Died	Between 15 Apr 1413 and 12 May 1413
  	Between writing her will and in being proved
  Probate	From 12 May 1413 to 26 Jun 1413	Prerogative Court of Canterbury, England
  	Two grants of probate to different people.
  Buried	St. Bartholomew’s Church, Bobbing, Kent, England
  	Assuming she was buried as she requested in her will.
  Origins
  Patriarch & Matriarch	William ECHYNGHAM,   d. Aft 1183  (5 x Great Grandfather)  Elizabeth ?,   b. Est 1336,   d. Yes, date unknown  (Mother)
  Person ID	I25667	All | Teresa's direct ancestors
  Last Modified	17 Jan 2018

  
  

  Father	Sir William ECHYNGHAM,   b. Abt 1333,   d. 18 Jan 1388/89  (Age ~ 56 years)
  Mother	Elizabeth ?,   b. Est 1336,   d. Yes, date unknown
  Married	When William died he left a widow Elizabeth. There are two questions, though 1. Was she the mother of (anyof) his children? 2. What was Elizabeth's birthname? It seems that William's wife may have been Elizabeth Criol. Her family look interesting so I would like to think so. However, I have also seen a suggestion that she was William's second wife, so even if true she may not be Joan's mother and my ancestor. Even amongst gentry / nobility, determining any ancestor's mother this far back is usually more difficult (more likely not to be possible) than establishing the father, since men (and boys) are recorded in so mnay more records than women (and girls). Determining the mother of a female ancestor is particularly difficult / likely to be impossible. I hope though I may find something that at least gives a significant pointer as to who Joan's mother might be, even if it doesn't clearly establish her identity. Having glanced at transcriptions of some info. concerning her dower, after the death of her husband, it may be significant that there seems to be none referring to her husband's son William as her son, and that he seems to have acted contrary to her interest; both seem more typical as the action of a step-son.
  Family ID	F10001	Family Group Page  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Sir Arnold SAVAGE,   b. 8 Sep 1358,   d. 29 Nov 1410  (Age 52 years)
  Children	2 children
  + 1. Elizabeth SAVAGE,   b. Est 1378,   d. 1451  (Age ~ 73 years) ▻ Sir Reginald COBHAM;   William CLIFFORD  m. Aft 1405   2. Arnold SAVAGE,   b. Abt 1382,   d. Abt 1420  (Age ~ 38 years) ▻ Katherine SCALES
  Last Modified	13 Jan 2018
  Family ID	F10000	Family Group Page  |  Family Chart

  
  

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  		Will - Written - 15 Apr 1413 - Southwark, London, England  Buried - - St. Bartholomew’s Church, Bobbing, Kent, England   = Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
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