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Isabell GILBERT

Isabell GILBERT

Female Est 1455 - Yes, date unknown    Has 65 ancestors but no descendants in this family tree.


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  • Name Isabell GILBERT 
    Relationshipwith Teresa Ann GOATHAM
    Born Est 1455 
    • Estimate based on having a son Roger, heir to her husband, born about 1477. (Roger's son and heir appears to have been born about 1495 so it is unlikely that Roger was really younger!) As Isabell appears to have had a number of other children, some possibly  born before Roger, I think it unlikely to have been born any later than 1460 and quite likely some years earlier.

      I first estimated for Isabell based on the approximate date of birth of her brother John. If he was born, as seems possible, c. 1470, and she was an older sister she could easily have been born in the 1460s. It seems unlikely, though, that if a full sister of John she was born earlier enough to have been mother to her husband's heir, who was said to be aged '36 and more' when her husband died in 1513.
      I suspect that either she was a daughter of a different wife of Otes to her brothers or that there were two Oteses, one missing from Vivian (Gilbert tree) and from mine.

      There is no mention of Isabell in the will of Otes who died 1494, and while she may have died by then there is no mention of any of her children either. (It would not be safe to assume from this that that Otes was not her father - if he was he would have provided a marriage portion for her and practicality rather than sentiment may have governed his bequests).
    Gender Female 
    Died Yes, date unknown 
    Siblings 6 brothers 
    Half-siblings 1 half brother (family of Otes GILBERT and Alice MULES
    Patriarch & Matriarch
    Thomas GILBERT,   d. Yes, date unknown  (3 x Great Grandfather) 
    Joane VALLETORT,   d. Yes, date unknown  (Great Grandmother) 
    Person ID I21431  All
    Last Modified 26 Oct 2020 

    Father Otes GILBERT,   b. Abt 1417,   d. Between 1 Dec 1493 and 9 Jun 1494  (Age ~ 76 years)
    Other Partners: Alice MULES  
    Mother Elizabeth HILL,   b. Abt 1426,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Married
    • * There is something wrong here *

      Shown in Vivian (p.405) but I am a bit dubious about whether this Otes and Elizabeth were the parents of the family shown here (other than Isabell). I suspect a generation may have been missed, or another wife of Otes.
      With Elizabeth generally a common name, and Otes much used in the Gilbert family there could easily have been two generations running of Otes and Elizabeth.
      On the other hand, Otes could have been an older father, and had another, younger wife. The Hill pedigree (Vivian, added by him - not in the 1620 visitation) suggests that Elizabeth was unlikely to have been young enough to be the mother of the sons shown here - she would have had to have been significantly younger than her brothers. It is possible, though, perhaps there were other children who died young and are not shown in the Hill pedigree, or Robert Hill was widowed and remarried to a younger wife, who was the mother of Elizabeth.
      Possibly most likely is that Otes Gilbert married another wife after the death of Elizabeth.

      My theory of a missing generation may have extra weight from the existence of an Otho Gilbert of Compton dated 1439 (according to the Devon Will Project) - this Otes/Otho is missing from Vivian. Seeing this is a priority.
    Family ID F7913  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart

    Family Sir Thomas GRENVILLE, Knight,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Married
    • Family shown in Vivian, Cornwall visitation, p. 191 (1887 edn),p. 84 (1874 edn)
    Last Modified 26 Oct 2020 
    Family ID F9619  Family Group Page  |  Family Chart