Robert HYDE

1832 - 1899  (67 years)

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• Name	Robert HYDE
  Relationship	with Teresa Ann GOATHAM
  Born	20 May 1832	Margate, Kent, England
  	Date from Seaman's Register Ticket (issued in 1846); also shows aged when ticketed as 14, yet date was 20 Apr 1846 - i.e. a month before he reached the age of 14.
  Baptised	8 Jul 1832	St. John the Baptist Church, Margate, Kent, England
  	From transcription in Margate library, confirmed by KFHS transcription - CD 28
  Gender	Male
  In the Dock	For stealing a large cannonball  [1]
  	12 May 1869	Margate, Kent, England
  	A report appeared in the South Eastern Gazette on Monday 17th May 1869, in the section of Margate news: Stealing a 68-Pound Shot. - A mariner named Robert Hyde was charged before the borough Bench on Wednesday with stealing, on or about the 26th of March last, a 68-pound iron shot, of the value of 20s., the property of the Lords of the Admiralty. - Mr. Boys prosecuted on behalf of the Lords of the Admiralty. He explained the circumstances under which the shot was missed from the Newgate Coastguard station, and how it was traced to the prisoner and recovered; and his statement was corroborated by Mr. Hart, the chief officer at the Newgate Coastguard Station, Mrs. Craycraft, and the superintendent of police. Mr. Boys did not press the case hard against the prisoner, and the Bench contented themselves with sending him for seven days' hard labour in Dover gaol. A more detailed account had appeared in the Thanet Advertiser on Saturday 15th May 1869, in the section of Margate news: " Stealing a 68-Pound Shot. - A mainer named Robert Hyde was charged before the borough Bench on Wednesday with stealing, on or about the 26th March last, a 68 pound iron shot, of the value of 20s., the property of the Lords of the Admiralty, and stated that he should proceed in the case as a petty felony, and not under the Naval Stores Act. He ex- plained the circumstances under which the shot was missed from the Newgate Coastguard Station, and how it was traced to the prisoner and recovered; and his statement was corroborated by Mr. Hart, the chief officer at  the Newgate Coastguard Station, Mrs. Craycraft and the superintendent of police. From the circumstances thus adduced it would appear that about the time in which the theft was alleged to have taken place the Coastguard were busily employed about a wreck, which they succeeded in getting afloat and taking round to Ramsgate. The station was thus deserted for a short time, and it would seem that during their absence some one came and abstracted one of two iron 68 pounder shots that were embedded in mortar at the top of either column forming the gateway. A short time afterwards it was offered to Mrs. Craycraft, the wife of a marine store dealer, by the prisoner, for sale. Mrs. Craycraft volunteered to give 6d. for it, the prisoner having stated that he picked it up off the beach. There was some sand, according to her statement, sticking to the tar on the shot. The prisoner said 6d. was not enough, and Mrs. Craycraft told the prisoner that he might take it away. He then agreed to take the sixpence. On the chief offi- cer missing the shot inquiries were instituted, and it was found to have been sold to Mr. Craycraft. The prisoner was then taxed with the theft, and he repeated the tale he had told to Mrs. Craycraft. - To disprove this, however, it was stated that there were no guns to carry shot of that calibre between Dover and Sheerness, and therefore it was scarcely possible that it could have been found as represented by the prisoner; and there was no sand seen attached to the shot when given up to the superintendent, though mortar and tar were sticking to it. - Mr. Boys did not press the case hard against the prisoner, and the Bench contented themselves with sending him for seven days' hard labour in Dover gaol. - Mr. Boys invited the Bench to express a word of cau- tion to Mrs. Craycraft, but they did not accept the invitation."
  Prisoner	Seven days hard labour
  	Aft 12 May 1869	The Gaol, Dover, Kent, England
  	For his theft of the cannonball
  Residence	From 1871 to 1881	5A, New Cross Street, Margate, Kent, England
  	Robert and Ann were living with their children  Helen Elizabeth, Sarah Ann and George Robert in 1871, but by 1881 just George remained living at home with his parents. (All 3 daughters were probably in domestic service - none had yet married).
  Residence	1891	2, New Cross Street, Margate, Kent, England
  	A boarder, 20 yr old Frederick Fullager, a grocer's assistant, was living with Robert and Ann in 1891, but all their children had left home.
  Occupation	Boatman  [2]
  	Boatman on death certificate, mariner in all other entries, including the 1891 census. In 1862 Robert was called upon to rescue a man from drowning, which he did successfully and for which he was rewarded - with all of one shilling! This was reported in The Era (London, England), Sunday, September 28, 1862; Issue 1253, as follows: Reward for Saving Life at Margate - One day last week, while a commissioned boatman at the Coast Guard Station, named Braybrook, was on duty at the battery, his attention was attracted to a person bathing from one of the Pettman's Bathing Machines, who was calling out loudly for help, and he, Braybrook, finding he could not get the boat belonging to the station launched in time to save him, hailed a boat out at sea, manned by Robert Hyde, jun who immediately rowed to the drowning man and succeeded in saving him from a watery grave, for he was only a half a head and his two hands above water, he was placed in a bathing machine, and having sufficiently recovered from his exhaustion, afterwards went away. For his exertions and for having actually saved his life, the drowning man presented the boatman with the munificent sum of "one shilling". Thanks to Suzannah Foad for posting this on the RootsWeb Isle-of-Thanet list. A very similar account to the above (lacking a few details but with no extra) appeared in the South Eastern Gazette of 23 Sep 1862, p.5 col. 4.
  Buried	1899	The Cemetery, Margate, Kent, England
  Died	Cause: General Paralysis (i.e. Syphilis)
  	21 May 1899	2, New Cross Street, Margate, Kent, England
  	GRO ref: Hyde, Robert, aged 67, q2 1899 Thanet RD  2a 582 Date and place from death certificate. In the "Whitstable Times and Herne Bay Herald" on Saturday 03 June 1899: "HYDE - On the 21st May, at New Cross Street, Margate, Robert Hyde, aged 67." His death certificate showed he died of "Paralysis General 30 years", death registered by his sister Mary Ann Gisby, present at the death. I at first assumed the cause meant that Robert had been paralysed for 30 years - which would have meant it started in 1869, making it  surprising that he is recorded as boatman etc. to 1891, with nothing recording him as "formerly a boatman / mariner". If the problem started around 1869 Robert would have only been about 37 - young enough that a stroke would have been very unlikely; the paralysis could have been caused by an illness or an accident. But I have now discovered that "general paralysis" is often used as short for "general paralysis of the insane" - the tertiary stage of syphilis! The first symptoms of syphilis (or whatever illness Robert had*) may have shown 30 years before his death, but not been sufficient to stop him working. * - the Victorian doctors were keen to diagnose syphilis; current medical knowledge means that it is now considered that these diagnoses included a number of other conditions, so we can't be sure that Robert had syphilis. However, it is noticeable that Robert and Sarah's last child was also born 30 years before his death, when Sarah was only in her early 30s. Syphilis could explain this, commonly causing miscarriage and still birth.
  		Death certificate for Robert Hyde (b 1832)
  Person ID	I358	All | Teresa's direct ancestors, England: Kent Group (in Go(a)tham One-Name Study), All in the Goatham / Gotham One-Name Study
  Last Modified	17 Oct 2020

  
  

  Father	Robert HYDE,   b. 11 Jul 1802, Margate, Kent, England ,   d. 11 Jun 1877, The Union Workhouse, Minster in Thanet, Kent, England  (Age 74 years)
  Mother	Mary Ann GRIGGS,   b. 2 Sep 1804, Margate, Kent, England ,   d. 26 Dec 1870, Carters Cottages, Margate, Kent, England  (Age 66 years)
  Married	5 Jul 1823	St. John the Baptist Church, Margate, Kent, England
  	By banns, ba and sp, both otp, both signed; witnesses were Wm Bayley and James Dixon (transcript on KFHS CD 28)
  Children	11 children
  1. Robert HYDE,   b. 1823,   bur. 27 Sep 1823, St. John the Baptist Church, Margate, Kent, England  (Age ~ 0 years)   2. Elizabeth HYDE,   b. 1825,   bur. 24 Aug 1827, St. John the Baptist Church, Margate, Kent, England  (Age ~ 2 years)   3. Maria HYDE,   b. 1826, Margate, Kent, England ,   bur. 6 Aug 1827, St. John the Baptist Church, Margate, Kent, England  (Age ~ 1 years) + 4. Ann HYDE,   b. 1828,   d. Mar Q 1854, Thanet Reg Dist, Kent, England  (Age 26 years)   5. Sarah HYDE,   b. 1830,   d. 1844  (Age 14 years) + 6. Robert HYDE,   b. 20 May 1832, Margate, Kent, England ,   d. 21 May 1899, 2, New Cross Street, Margate, Kent, England  (Age 67 years) + 7. Maria HYDE,   b. 1834, Margate, Kent, England ,   d. 1919, Thanet Reg Dist, Kent, England  (Age 85 years) + 8. Emily HYDE,   bap. 25 Nov 1836, St. John the Baptist Church, Margate, Kent, England ,   d. Jun Q 1917, Dartford Reg Dist, Kent, England  (Age ~ 80 years) + 9. John HYDE,   b. Dec Q 1838, Thanet Reg Dist, Kent, England ,   d. Mar Q 1911, Thanet Reg Dist, Kent, England  (Age ~ 73 years) + 10. William HYDE,   b. Dec Q 1840, Thanet Reg Dist, Kent, England ,   d. Mar Q 1914, Thanet Reg Dist, Kent, England  (Age ~ 74 years) + 11. Mary Ann HYDE,   b. Sep Q 1843, Thanet Reg Dist, Kent, England ,   d. Aft 1899  (Age ~ 57 years)
  Family ID	F298	|  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Ann FULLER,   b. Abt Aug 1836, Bridge, Kent, England ,   d. 22 Feb 1915, 68, Byron Road, Margate, Kent, England  (Age ~ 78 years)
  Married	14 Feb 1857	St. John the Baptist Church, Margate, Kent, England
  	GRO ref: Hyde, Robert to Fuller, Ann q1 1857 Thanet RD 2a 719 Details from PR entry (image on FMP, viewed 24 Jan 2018) The title line of the entry shows the year as 1857, although the 'when married' field says 'February 14th 1856'! It is, though, between entries for Jan 1857 and Feb 15 1857, so I think it is safe to assume it was in 1857. Ages given as 24 and 21, bach and sp, Robert a mariner, both of King St., son of Robert Hyde, mariner and dau of George Fuller, labourer. Witnesses were William Martin and Maria Martin. Robert and Ann both signed, the witnesses (Robert's sister and her husband) made their marks.
  Children	4 children
  + 1. Phyllis Ann HYDE,   b. 22 Feb 1859, Margate, Kent, England ,   d. Sep Q 1948, Ashbourne Reg Dist, Derbyshire or Staffordshire, England  (Age 88 years) + 2. Ellen (Helen) Elizabeth HYDE,   b. Jun Q 1860, Margate, Kent, England ,   d. Aft 1911  (Age ~ 52 years) + 3. Sarah Ann HYDE,   b. 5 Mar 1862, New Cross Street, Margate, Kent, England ,   d. 13 May 1907, 43, Harold Road, Margate, Kent, England  (Age 45 years) + 4. George Robert HYDE,   b. 27 Nov 1868, Margate, Kent, England ,   d. Jun Q 1956, Ealing Reg Dist, Middlesex, England  (Age 87 years)
  Last Modified	24 Jan 2018
  Family ID	F256	|  Family Chart

  
  

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  		Born - 20 May 1832 - Margate, Kent, England  Baptised - 8 Jul 1832 - St. John the Baptist Church, Margate, Kent, England  Married - 14 Feb 1857 - St. John the Baptist Church, Margate, Kent, England  Child born - Phyllis Ann HYDE - 22 Feb 1859 - Margate, Kent, England  Child born - Ellen (Helen) Elizabeth HYDE - Jun Q 1860 - Margate, Kent, England  Child born - Sarah Ann HYDE - 5 Mar 1862 - New Cross Street, Margate, Kent, England  Child born - George Robert HYDE - 27 Nov 1868 - Margate, Kent, England  In the Dock - For stealing a large cannonball - 12 May 1869 - Margate, Kent, England  Residence - From 1871 to 1881 - 5A, New Cross Street, Margate, Kent, England  Residence - 1891 - 2, New Cross Street, Margate, Kent, England  Buried - 1899 - The Cemetery, Margate, Kent, England  Died - Cause: General Paralysis (i.e. Syphilis) - 21 May 1899 - 2, New Cross Street, Margate, Kent, England   = Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
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  [S103] Newspaper ‘The South Eastern Gazette’ onThe Kent Messenger Group Digital Archive, Kent., (http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/digitalarchive.aspx  :), "Margate ... Stealing a 68-Pound Shot," 19 May 1869, online archives (http://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/KMSG_1869_05_17_005?fileType=PDF&#search=%22hyde%20margate%20robert%22   : accessed 2 Apr 2013), p. 5, col. 4. (Reliability: 2), 2 Apr 2013. Hyde was not a common name in Margate - at this time all appear to have been the family of Robert (bapt 1802) and his wife. But I don't know if this article refers to the Robert bapt 1802 or his son bapt 1832. Both were mariners. I am simply guessing that is more likely to have been the c.37 year old rather than the 67 year old. [S103] Newspaper ‘The South Eastern Gazette’ onThe Kent Messenger Group Digital Archive, Kent., (http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/digitalarchive.aspx  :), "Margate ... Reward for Life Saving," 23 Sep 1862, online archives (http://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpressonline/getDocument/KMSG_1862_09_23_005?fileType=PDF&#search=%22hyde%20margate%20robert%22   : accessed 2 Apr 2013), p. 5, col. 4. (Reliability: 3), 2 Apr 2013.