Agnes ROSE

Female Est 1495 - Bef 1558  (~ 62 years)    Has 2 ancestors and 1227 descendants in this family tree.

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  • Name Agnes ROSE 
    Relationshipwith Teresa Ann GOATHAM
    Born Est 1495 
    • Estimated from estimate of date of marriage, and taking into account dob of last known child (assuming her husband did have only the one wife). More likely a couple of years earlier if she had married by 1511.
    Gender Female 
    Bequest 1511 
    From her grandfather's wife, Agnes Rose 
    • Agnes' step-grandmother, widow of John Rose, left to an Agnes Halke "suentyme [sometime] my servant" who I think was probably this Agnes "myn old violett gown".
    Died Bef 1558 
    • Her husband William requested being buried next to his 'wiff'.
    • I think that is was Agnes not an Alice who married a Halke from Christian name recorded in a Chancery case C1/1002/4-7 (but not yet transcribed and I may have mis-read it)
    Person ID I17215  Teresa's tree | Teresa's direct ancestor
    Last Modified 16 Jun 2019 

    Father Thomas ROSE,   b. Est 1457,   bur. 1527, Ss. Gregory and Martin’s Church, Wye, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 69 years) 
    • It is clear from Thomas's father's will that he had 4 daughters, Alice, Joan, Agnes and a younger Alice.
    Children 5 children 
    Family ID F6925    |  Family Chart

    Family William HALKE,   b. Est 1493,   bur. 7 Nov 1558, Ss. Gregory and Martin’s Church, Wye, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 65 years) 
    Married Between 1505 and 1511 
    • I did estimate 1517 from approximate dob of first known son - though there could be daughters or chidlren who didn't survive born earlier. Agnes was not married when her grandfather Thomas Rose wrote his will in 1505, but I suspect she was the 'Agnes Halke' named in the will of this Agnes's grandfather's wife, Agnes Rose (formerly Andrew). That will refers to 'Agnes Halke suentyme my s[er]vant' but I don't think being servant to Agnes wife of John Rose means she couldn't also have been her step-granddaughter.

      Was it this William, i.e. the father of Sampson and his siblings, who died in 1558, who had been married to Agnes Rose?

      Both Thomas Rose, father of Agnes, and the Richard Halke who died in 1546 left bequests to the children of William, namely Richard and Thomas. That points very strongly it being the William son of Richard who died in 1546 who married Agnes. 

      Clearly this William was the son of a Richard, but was he the son of the Richard who died in 1546? Sampson who died in 1488 also left a son Richard, could he too have had a son William?
      Having examined the wills there is nothing in that of Sampson (d. 1488) to suggest he owned anything outside of Wye. By contrast, the John who died in 1492 left property in Hastingleigh, Elmstead and Brabourne to his son Richard. And the Richard who died in 1546 left property in Hastingleigh and Elmstead to a godson (who I suspect was also a grandson). There is no mention of Brabourne - perhaps that land had already passed to his son William in his lifetime.

      When Agnes's grandfather John ROSE wrote his will in 1505 he referred to 4 daughters of his son Thomas, all of whom were unmarried.
      By the time Thomas wrote his will in 1526 she was married.
      This points to William and Agnes marrying between 1505 and 1526, and to them having had 2 sons by the time Thomas wrote his will, so the marriage must have been at least a little before 1526.
      This ties in with William whose IPM shows he had a son Richard, the oldest named in the document, born about 1518.

      The more I look at the wills and other documents the more I think that it was my ancestor William who was married to Agnes Rose and that his father was the Richard who died in 1546.

      For example, William's son Richard, clearly the son of this William since he mentions brothers John, Sampson and Christopher in his will, and sister Joan, etc., appears to have had the same servant as his probable grandfather Thomas Rose. He left bequests to Prowdes, relations of Agnes Rose's (though this alone would not be good evidence, since the way a certain social class intermarried it is quite possible they were also relations on his father's side).  

      The large gaps in ages between the children named in William's inquisition post mortem could be due to them being from different marriages. The span, though, is not too great for one mother and it could simply be that there were children in the middle who pre-deceased their father or were female (and so not mentioned in in inquisition post mortem). Looking at William's will and other documents not only shows evidence of one or more daughters, but also of 2 sons living when he died but not named in the IPM.

      The 's' at the end of a word can be hard to distinguish from a flourish in old hand-writing, but there is nothing after 'wiff' in the request in William's will (register copy) for him to be buried in Wye Church 'besides my wiff'. Since there was no bequest to a living wife, this does suggest William was only married once and Agnes was the mother of all of his children.
      (Unless an 's' in the original will was mis-read as a flourish when the register copy was made; unfortunately the original will appears not to have survived).
    Children 7 children 
    Last Modified 20 Jun 2017 
    Family ID F6989    |  Family Chart