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Herbert GOATHAM

Herbert GOATHAM

Male 1862 - 1934  (72 years)    Has 219 ancestors and 53 descendants in this family tree.


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  • Name Herbert GOATHAM 
    Relationshipwith Teresa Ann GOATHAM
    Born 18 Feb 1862  Church Street, Faversham, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • GRO ref: Goatham, Herbert q1 1862 Faversham RD 2a 621; GRO online index shows mother's maiden name as Hunt 

      The birth appeared in the family notices in the 'Kentish Gazette' of Tues 25 Feb. 1862 (p.5, col. 4):
      "Goatham. '97Feb. 18, at Faversham, the wife of Mr. C. Goatham, of a son."
    Birth certificate for Herbert Goatham
    Birth certificate for Herbert Goatham
    Gender Male 
    Education Schoolboy 
    From 1869 to 1874  The National School, Faversham, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • A scholar at the time of the 1871 census, Herbert had been admitted to Faversham National School, in April 1869 and left 27 Apr 1874.
      (from school records in Maidstone Archives)
    Census 2 Apr 1871  15, Partridge Lane, Faversham, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    Occupation Hop picking 
    Bef 1874 
    • I have no proof of this, but it seems probable that as a boy Herbert would have gone with his mother and siblings hop-picking. There still are hop fields close to Faversham and so they could have gone from home, walking to and from the fields.
      (The only evidence of the family hop picking of which I am aware is his mother's death)
    Occupation Baker 
    From 1874 to 1916  Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • (Approximate dates)
      Was offered to stay longer at school or to start work and have a Bible - he chose the latter.  Apprenticed to a baker in Margate, who I think had no children, so that he later took over business from him, becoming a Master Baker. Bakery - 'H Goatham and Son(s?) - baker and confectioner - Garlinge'.
      (info. from Auntie Ethel - his daughter)

      The 1881 census shows that Herbert was then a journeyman baker living at 1 Westbrook Place, Margate with Master Baker Edwin Bushell and his family; by 1891 Herbert was employed as "Baker's Manager"; his wife's occupation was shown as "helps husband".
      He had a "journeyman baker" living and working with him in 1901 and
      in 1911 he was described as "Baker and confectioner".

      I believe I was told his bakery went bankrupt during WW1, though it could be that I have the date wrong as there seems to be evidence of the Baker's business at a later date. He gave too many cakes to poor children, according to his daughter, Ethel but his grandson Herbert Osborn disagreed, putting the bankruptcy down to too much drinking! (Herbert Osborn was less than 3 years younger than his aunt and I fear may have been more realistic about the reason. I don't, though, think Auntie Ethel would have imagined the giving away of cakes, but I think it may not have been the cause of her father's business failing). His cause of death, oesophageal cancer, is more common in those who drink heavily and in those who smoke, and especially in those who do both - 90% of one form of the cancer can be attributed to these factors, so it seems likely he was a heavy drinker.

      His son Charles (my grandfather) worked with him at one time, but was in Balham by the time the 1919 electoral roll was compiled; it may be that the business had not actually folded by then but could no longer support two couples.  

      It seems likely he either kept the business going until 1925 or he may have found other work for some years, as he was still living in Fern House in 1925 - though he was then unemployed. I have a copy of his birth certificate issued "for the purposes of the Unemployment Insurance Act 1920" in Feb. 1925, so it must be between then and 1934 that he and his wife moved to one of the Alexandra Homes.
    H. Goatham and Son's bakers cart
    H. Goatham and Son's bakers cart
    I believe the person on the left (as your look at the photo) is my grandfather, Charles Robert Goatham. I don't know who the other is - possibly his brother Herbert (Bert).
    Census 3 Apr 1881  1, Westbrook Place, Westbrook, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    Residence From 1883 to 1885  Westbrook Cottages, Westbrook, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • He was living in Westbrook Cottages when his first 2 children were born - apparently at no. 6 in 1883 when Clara was born but no. 2 some two and a half years later when Charles appeared. (Had they moved or had the cottages been renumbered?)
      No address is given in the baptismal entry for Herbert George, on 18 Nov 1888,  but although in the St. John's PR this is shown as having taken place at All Saints, which was very close to Westbrook Cottages so I guess the family were still living there. So it was probably between then and the time of the census in 1891 that the family moved to Garlinge.
    Residence From 1890 to 1925  Fern House, High Street, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • (Approximate dates)
      He was living at Fern House in 1891, 1901 and 1911; with wife, 4 children and a servant - the servant being a "journeyman baker" in 1891. (1891 ancestry index: surname Thane!) Also recorded as his address when his daughter Elizabeth died in 1897.
      Just with second wife and his children Charles and Ethel in 1911. Curiously both Herbert and Sarah are shown as of at Quex Dairy Cottage, Garlinge at the time Sarah died in 1907.
    Census 5 Apr 1891  Fern House, High Street, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    Miscellaneous Witnesses of mudered children 
    20 Mar 1894  High Street, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • On 20th March 1894 a young widow, Sarah Tucker, was discovered lying on her bed, having murdered her two young children and attempted to kill herself.
      Short reports can be read here and here.

      A longer report (details to be added here) quotes Herbert has having seen Sarah Tucker the day before and having commented to his assistant how bad she looked. There is also a mention of Herbert and Sarah (his wife) being in the house shortly after the bodies were discovered - one person mentioned Sarah Goatham's screams as having brought him to the house.
    Civic duty Parish Councillor 
    1898  Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • I don't know quite when or for how long Herbert was on the Parish Council, but he was relected in 1898, as reported in a local paper:
      Garlinge
      Parish Meeting. - A parish meeting was held in the
      National Schools, on Monday evening. The Vicar (the
      Rev. George Collis) presided, and there were about 30
      ratepayers present. The following members of the Coun-
      cil were re-elected :- Mr. Herbert Goatham, baker 16
      votes, Mr. W. Horton, labourer 18, Mr. S. Jezard, market
      gardener 18, Mr. W. Scott, gardener 16, Mr. W. T. Solley,
      14, and Messrs. H. Goodban, builder 18, and W. T. Stand-
      ing, gardener 15, were the new members.

      (from the Canterbury Journal, Kentish Times and Farmers' Gazette of 19 March 1898, p.8, col. 4) image on FMP, viewed 21 Oct 2015
    Census 31 Mar 1901  Fern House, High Street, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    Census 2 Apr 1911  Fern House, High Street, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    Residence Aft 1925  Alexandra Homes, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • Auntie Ethel said as a result of the bankruptcy they ended up living in what was known as "the home for derelicts" - I assumed it was a workhouse, but it appears it may have been the Alexandra Homes where he died. (These were almshouses - look very nice today, but maybe have improved since his time).
      His widow and daughter Ethel were living there at the time of the 1939 registration.
    Died Cause: Carcinoma of the oesophagus 
    18 Apr 1934  33, Alexandra Homes, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • The death was registered by his dau Ethel, present at the death, also of 33 Alexandra Homes.

      GRO ref: Goatham, Herbert q2 1934 2a 1323 (age 72)
    Death certificate for Herbert Goatham
    Death certificate for Herbert Goatham
    Buried Aft 18 Apr 1934  The Cemetery, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • have seen gravestone but don't have photo
    Notes 
    • Birth of Herbert and all (but 1?) of his siblings is recorded in a family Prayer Book (which I have - see photos of it on this page).
    Person ID I163  All | Teresa's direct ancestors, England: Kent Group (in Go(a)tham One-Name Study), England: Kent Group - subjects of Go(a)tham One-Name Study, All in the Goatham / Gotham One-Name Study , All subjects of the Goatham / Gotham One-Name Study, The descendants (and other halves) of Charles Goatham and Sybilla née Hunt, The descendants (and other halves) of George Goatham and Ann née Winch, The descendants (and other halves) of John Prior and Amy née Reynolds, The descendants (and other halves) of Richard Whitehead and Mary née Grigsby
    Last Modified 23 May 2020 

    DNA Tests  1 DNA test is associated with Herbert GOATHAM 

    Father Charles GOATHAM,   b. Abt 1805, Bredgar, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location,   d. 24 Dec 1888, 2, Abbey Street, Faversham, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 83 years) 
    Mother Sybilla HUNT,   b. Abt 1817, Wormshill, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location,   d. Between 29 Aug 1887 and 4 Sep 1887, Hernhill Marshes, Hernhill, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 70 years) 
    Married 31 May 1835  St. Mary’s Church, Chatham, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • Although both Charles and Sybella were shown as "otp" when they married in Chatham, I suspect that this was an address of convenience to enable them to be married here - see my notes about Medway marriages.

      The witness James Goodhew may well have been the James Goodhew who would marry Charles' sister Maria two years later.

      I have not found baptisms for most fo Charles and Sybilla's children; they do not seem to have been baptised at the Parish Church in Faversham. Maybe there is a clue in that in 1875 a Mr Goatham lent his van for conveying children to a Congreational Church picnic; had they started attending or at least having the children baptised at the Congreational Church? - to be investigated.
    The marriage of Charles Goatham to Sybilla Hunt
    The marriage of Charles Goatham to Sybilla Hunt
    Parish Register entry for the marriage of my gt gt grandparents (my only 2xgt grandparents to marry before the registration of BMDs began). This is from the registers for the now redundant Church of St. Mary the Virgin, Chatham, Kent.
    Occupation Hop picking 
    to 1887 
    • From the records of the events surrounding Sybilla's death it is clear that she went hop-picking. She had probably done this many years, perhaps almost all of her life. She may well have even been taken along as a baby to the hop fields by her own mother.
      During her married life Charles probably did not accompany her, due to his regular work, but even though living most of it in a town she was still close enough to hop fields to go hop picking from home. The children probably all went too, and assisted in hop picking once they were old enough.
    Children 12 children 
    Family ID F100    |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Sarah Ann HYDE,   b. 5 Mar 1862, New Cross Street, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location,   d. 13 May 1907, 43, Harold Road, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location  (Age 45 years) 
    Married 28 Aug 1881  Zion Chapel, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • GRO ref: GOATHAM, Herbert to HYDE, Sarah Ann q3 1881 Thanet RD 2a 1333
      Details from marr cert.
    Children 6 children 
    Last Modified 19 Dec 2019 
    Family ID F99    |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Emma DICKINSON,   b. 6 Feb 1857, Meriden, Warwickshire, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location,   d. 4 Jan 1947, 33, Alexandra Homes, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location  (Age 89 years) 
    Married 27 Apr 1909  Emmanuel Church (Lady Huntingdon Connexion), Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location 
    • Lady Huntingdon Connexion (I have cert)
    Certificate for the marriage of Herbert Goatham to Emma Newing
    Certificate for the marriage of Herbert Goatham to Emma Newing
    Children
     1. Ethel Florence GOATHAM,   b. 5 Apr 1902, Bakers' Shop, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location,   d. 4 Aug 1983, Hill House Hospital, Minster in Thanet, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location  (Age 81 years)  [natural and legitima]  [Stepchild]
     
    Last Modified 23 May 2020 
    Family ID F112    |  Family Chart

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    Link to Google MapsBorn - 18 Feb 1862 - Church Street, Faversham, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsEducation - Schoolboy - From 1869 to 1874 - The National School, Faversham, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 2 Apr 1871 - 15, Partridge Lane, Faversham, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsOccupation - Baker - From 1874 to 1916 - Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 3 Apr 1881 - 1, Westbrook Place, Westbrook, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsMarried - 28 Aug 1881 - Zion Chapel, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsChild born - Clara Bertha GOATHAM - 15 Oct 1882 - New Inn, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsChild born - Charles Robert ("Charlie") GOATHAM - 6 Jul 1885 - 2, Westbrook Cottages, Westbrook, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsChild born - Herbert George ("Bert") GOATHAM - 30 Sep 1888 - Westbrook, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsResidence - From 1890 to 1925 - Fern House, High Street, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsChild born - William Frank GOATHAM - 4 Feb 1890 - Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 5 Apr 1891 - Fern House, High Street, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsChild born - Elizabeth Lily ("Lizzie") GOATHAM - Abt Nov 1896 - Thanet Reg Dist, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsCivic duty - Parish Councillor - 1898 - Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 31 Mar 1901 - Fern House, High Street, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsChild born - Ethel Florence GOATHAM - 5 Apr 1902 - Bakers' Shop, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsChild born - Ethel Florence GOATHAM - 5 Apr 1902 - Bakers' Shop, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsMarried - 27 Apr 1909 - Emmanuel Church (Lady Huntingdon Connexion), Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsCensus - 2 Apr 1911 - Fern House, High Street, Garlinge, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsResidence - Aft 1925 - Alexandra Homes, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsDied - Cause: Carcinoma of the oesophagus - 18 Apr 1934 - 33, Alexandra Homes, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
    Link to Google MapsBuried - Aft 18 Apr 1934 - The Cemetery, Margate, Kent, England See the place on a map and other information about it - if available (many more will be in time); also all individuals with events at this location Link to Google Earth (if installed; see link below to install)
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    Back of birth certificate for Herbert Goatham
    Back of birth certificate for Herbert Goatham
    This has information connected with his lack of employment in 1925